July 6, 2010

A strong border fence?

Removing 100% of illegal aliens?

July 6, 2010

I don`t support the fence

July 6, 2010

I think we agree that abortion is a poor method of birth control but instead of arguing over the legality of a women`s right to choose we should instead try to find a way decrease the amount of unwanted pregnancies.

Can we agree on that?

Immigration reform, I think we can both agree that the system is broken, right? Why not work on finding ways to strengthen border security as well as the Visa process and also try to find a way to allow for a solid guest worker program that allows for a labor force that is willing to do jobs the average American does not want to do but makes them pay their fair share of taxes?

Guns. I think we can agree that private gun ownership is our right and we should find better ways to use technology to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, terrorist and people with mental illnesses that can make them dangerous to themselves and others.

I think if we sat down over a cold beer we could find more than we agree on than we disagree on but it is the hot topic issues that gets everyone all fired up.

July 6, 2010

^^^ I agree with those items.


Maybe we can start the FTW Political Party. but people may think it stand for something other than Ford Truck World.

July 6, 2010

I agree with everything OC and Plane have said. Especially the sit down over a cold beer part.

RiverRat

July 6, 2010

Yes, georgie boy wanted the tax cuts permanent. However the cost of leaving them permanent was not addressed. Leaving the ensuing budget deficit to be blamed on someone else and covered by the middle class.

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=1018

..."President Bush continues to urge that the tax cuts enacted in 2001 and 2003 be made permanent. Despite the severe long-term budget shortfalls the nation faces, the Administration has not proposed measures to offset the cost of extending these tax cuts. Nor has it proposed measures to pay for extending relief from the Alternative Minimum Tax, which, if left unchanged, will affect increasing numbers of middle-income taxpayers and take back a substantial portion of the value of the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts.

Making permanent the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts and AMT relief would have a direct cost of $3.7 trillion over the next ten years ( fiscal year 2009 through 2018 ), according to Joint Committee on Taxation and Congressional Budget Office estimates.

Without offsets, making the tax cuts permanent would increase the deficit and thereby add to the national debt. The interest payments needed to service this higher level of debt would amount to about $700 billion over the next ten years. Thus, the total cost of making these tax cuts permanent, including the related interest costs, would be $4.4 trillion over the ten-year period "...

RiverRat

July 6, 2010

With all due respect to you RR, I am sure something else we can agree on is the fact that political cost projections and accounting polocies are as skued as the people making them. Where else besides Enron could someone use the formula, I thought I would make a Million this year but since I only made six hundered thousand, i`m showing a four hundered thousand dollar loss.

July 7, 2010

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I think we agree that abortion is a poor method of birth control but instead of arguing over the legality of a women`s right to choose we should instead try to find a way decrease the amount of unwanted pregnancies.

Can we agree on that?

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Its not that hard to decrease the number of unwanted pregnancies, OC.... do I have to draw a picture? They did it for many many years before the Free Love generation came about.

But regardless of the facts, I`m pretty sure that you will always want Abortion available for anyone who wants one for any reason... right?

Me... I don`t expect us to ever agree on this. I am willing to work with ya though. I say that we overturn Roe vs. wade and send the issue back to the states for individule debate. If you guys want to allow abortion in California, then allow it. Perhaps the good people of Kentucky feel differently and want to ban it. Our ban won`t effect you guys in California at all. Heck... you can even use it as a tourism ploy or something.

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Immigration reform, I think we can both agree that the system is broken, right? Why not work on finding ways to strengthen border security as well as the Visa process and also try to find a way to allow for a solid guest worker program that allows for a labor force that is willing to do jobs the average American does not want to do but makes them pay their fair share of taxes?

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Imagration is a pretty simple fix as well...
1. Cut off all free healthcare for any undocumented
2. Change the constitution so that any child born in the US is not automatically a citizen.
3. Harshly Punish anyone who is caught hiring an undocumented employee.
At this point I may consider some form of controlled labor force for undocumented people. There is not need for a fence though. We are an Open borders Nation.

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Guns. I think we can agree that private gun ownership is our right and we should find better ways to use technology to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, terrorist and people with mental illnesses that can make them dangerous to themselves and others.

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Criminals will always have guns. Get used to it! We need our guns to kill them back as needed. We also need our guns for hunting. we also need our guns to help protect us from our government if and when the need ever comes about.

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I think if we sat down over a cold beer we could find more than we agree on than we disagree on but it is the hot topic issues that gets everyone all fired up.

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I`m always open to a cold beer with freinds

July 7, 2010

..."I am sure something else we can agree on is the fact that political cost projections and accounting polocies are as skued as the people making them."...

Absolutely. That`s why I used one from awhile back which now seems to be the most accurate.

RiverRat

July 7, 2010

Ok, so following that logic, what will the true cost of the Obama spend-a-thon be in 2018?

If it is too expensive to make a tax cut permanent, then can we gather that spending my be out of hand? If they don`t have it, they should not spend it!

July 7, 2010

Part of the reason we are in the situation we are in is because of the Bush tax cut that never should have happened in the first place. It did NOTHING to create jobs, it just lined the pockets of millionaires. The Bush tax cut made no sense then, it makes less sense now.

The US Federal Government is in a damned if you do, damned if you don`t situation now. Stop spending and the economy will spiral into the depressionary toilet. Keep spending and the deficit balloons beyond what is sustainable. But spending can be cut once the economy recovers, while a depression will extend the problem deeper and further into the future.

I really wish all of the Republican deficit hawks had been awake for the 2001-2009 time period. A time when a Republican President took a yearly budget surplus and turned it into the worst deficits and worst economy in nearly 75 years.

July 8, 2010

Glad to see your still here Plane. While you provide no link to your banter, I`m sure it is the gospal, or whetever it is you believe in. I do not agree with your comments.



http://www.federalbudget.com/