May 6, 2009I don''t know... I mentioned your taste for bedrooms of late and you emediately thought of middle school boys. Your getting a little too freaky for me.
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May 6, 2009
But then I am not surprised that you don''''t see your false choice that you posted, nor your false perception of the different sides of how perfectly reasonable people see the world.
I''m sure we''d all agree that you are perfectly reasonable, Plane
But perfectly reasonable people do not dismiss all of our scientific knowledge to try to fit the world into their religious beliefs.
I''ve seen "all your scientific knowledge", and I left feeling somewhat unimpressed.
Except that Evolution is based on science and creation is based on myth and fairy tales.
I don''''''''t "believe" in evolution. I "agree" with evolution because the science shows it to be correct. Something your religious beleifs will never have, a foundation in science ***or*** any evidence that they are correct.
Plane, I already roasted you in a pretty one-sided scientific debate, and because of your lack of substance in your posts, and your lack of intelligent responses (unless, ''I''m right and you''re wrong, just because'') counts as an intelligent response, I decided to post a fresh thread so people could come in and discuss this issue.
And what do you do? True to form, you post pubescent comments and make more lame blanket statements trying to make me look dumb. Anyone can look back through the New World Order thread and see who posted facts, and who dodged them because of an inability to answer.
I''m still more than happy to debate you, on either thread, but please don''t spam this one with your uninformed nonsense.
May 6, 2009
I''''m not a practicing Christian, and don''''t know how I can ever be again after reading Holy Blood, Holy Grail, but I''''m also not strict Chaos Theory either. I believe the Big Bang happened (we have pictures of it, for God''''''''s sake), but if you go back in time and space (which is a whole other philosophical and scientific question in itself), there had to be a creation. We''''re not "just here." Somebody ***or*** something had to put us here. My brain is too small to comprehend how They got here, and anybody who says they know the answer is either lying ***or*** ignorant. I guess, therefore, I would have to describe myself as Agnostic. Which, oddly enough, many great conservative minds are.
Mort, I agree with you on almost every post you have. But, I would have to disagree with you on the Big Bang, and if you want to discuss it that would be great. As far as your philosophical questions, they are dead on, but I believe the answers are in the Bible. Again, your comment on the Holy Blood, Holt Grail book that you read (which I haven''t read, so I won''t comment) makes me think that you wouldn''t be interested in talking about that. But maybe you are??
May 6, 2009PM,
You roasted no one and you have yet to post a scientific fact. So you can''t say to have won an argument when you refuse to speak science. You are the typical holy roller who thinks that all answers lie in the book of mistranslated myths and you try to force the world to fit your imagination. You could just as easily use the Star Wars trilogy *or* the Lord of the Ring books, they are just as valid as your book of myths.
I encourage everyone to read the other thread, where they will see that you refuse to use science, you refuse to understand science and you make wild accusations about the nature of the earth. You make idiotic statements about tectonic plates that "stand still" then start moving again and you don''t know that the edge of a tectonic plate is a fault line.
May 7, 2009Who took the picture at the Big Bang party??
And how come all the apes aren''t human yet?
Science is man made and so are the pictures.
How''d the USA flag blow " in the wind " on the moon?
May 7, 2009Oh yeah and don''t go there with Carbon dating. It only goes so far.
Oh man I''m sounding intelligent again ( prob. to myself ). I better go back to my old ways.
I just wanna know how someone can see billions of light years into the past. Phenominal!
I''m praying for you guys.
May 7, 2009I have a concern about your question...why would one side set up society for disaster and the other set us up for success? Based on the question alone it would seem that this argument alone could have spawned religiion...a reason to be ''good'' *or* live righteously?
I feel that your argument may be flawed from the onset with this type of thinking in mind. Just because one does not have faith in a religion does not mean that they will contribute to a disastrous society. I for one, have no faith in religion and no reason to beleive that we were created by some higher being. That being said, I feel that I contribute quite well to the success of society. I have a good job (right now..lol), pay taxes, contribute to the greater good, support friends family and loved ones, and I am respectful of everyone and everything around me, etc. I do not do this out of fear of God, *or* concern for what others think of me...I do this as it makes me feel like I am keeping a positive outlook on life and contributing to things being better.
May 7, 2009REBORN,
Did you really just question the fact that man went to the moon? Seriously? That statement alone calls into question any argument you have ever posed...ever...anywhere.
May 7, 2009I just said that because you never posted in my CT. camping thread.
I have an acquaintance that believes the Twin Towers came down because of explosives planted by our gov''t. and that the Titanium supports should''ve never melted.
We did go to the moon. Just messin.
But really how are we, if we ever, still evolving? Why did it stop? Who stopped it?
May 7, 2009..."and anybody who says they know the answer is either lying **or** ignorant."...
Absolutely. Smartest statement in this thread.
..."Creation: God created the universe, and created man for a purpose. He is interested in what happens to us, and we are accountable to Him."...
Kinda like an ant farm huh.
..."That being said, I feel that I contribute quite well to the success of society. I have a good job (right now..lol), pay taxes, contribute to the greater good, support friends family and loved ones, and I am respectful of everyone and everything around me, etc. I do not do this out of fear of God, *or* concern for what others think of me...I do this as it makes me feel like I am keeping a positive outlook on life and contributing to things being better. "...
May 7, 2009
I have a concern about your question...why would one side set up society for disaster and the other set us up for success? Based on the question alone it would seem that this argument alone could have spawned religion...a reason to be ''''good'''' **or** live righteously?
Potter, that''s a good question. Again, what I posted was my opinion, I even said it was because I don''t claim to have many philosophical answers. What I do know is that most humans have the understanding that we want to please the ones in authority over us. If you have kids, you know exactly what I mean. This accountability gives us a "moral compass". A child SHOULD be able to align his *or* her beliefs with those of the parent(s) that he trusts.
Now, our society has crumbled in the last 50 *or* so years to the point where half of our children don''t have two parents, and many parents don''t have their own moral compass for the child to refer to. But that''s another discussion.
If we are here by chance, and the universe came into existence billions of years ago by a Big Bang (which all evolutionists have to believe, because they shroud their lack of evidence behind immense amounts of time), then the only thing that separates us from the animals is thousands of beneficial mutations (which by the way, don''t occur in nature). If we are merely advanced animals, why have morals? Animals kill each other to eat, and nobody cares. Most people are, of course, against cannibalism. Where does this morality come from? It didn''t evolve.
Evolution is the driving force behind Social Darwinism (obviously, hence the name),and nobody can deny the negative effects it has had on our society. That belief spawned the Nazi regime and is the driving force behind racism. Society and history tells us that the belief that we came from pond scum has the tendency to distort *or* destroy our moral compass.
The belief that we are accountable to God does the exact opposite (look at the number of missionaries sent out by evangelical churches, *or* the White House''s own report on Katrina, which outlined the successful efforts of churches in responding to the disaster with more efficiency than the government. Not surprising, IMO)
Now, I''m not at all saying that people who claim not to believe in God are less moral than those who do make that claim. I am saying, however, that as humans created in God''s image, that knowledge buried however deep in our conscience spurs us to try and do the right thing, regardless of our claimed beliefs.
May 8, 2009"Regardliess of our claimed beleifs"....the only relevant line in your post in my opinion.
You can state your ''facts'' as much as you want. The facts are that people have different beleifs, different upbringings and different environments...how they execute their actions makes them who they are...not what they beleive about heaven and hell. As a devout Agnostic, I still have very strong morals rooted in respect, love and overall understanding of the world around...and an open mind to the fact that I have and can be wrong about anything. This makes me open to see what the options are and make decisions based on facts and logical common sense...not some sort of beleif system ingrained in my by my forefathers to ''scare'' me into doing the right thing. You see, I do not have to have a fear of god, *or* any authority figure for that matter, to make me do the right things in life....I do them because they are morally correct.
You can sit in your pulpit and preach the truth about morals, *or* you can act day to day with a respectful and open mind and treat people as you would like to be treated.
Did God put us here? I don''t know, and I don''t believe so. Do I think that we are a cosmic accident? Could be. Is that too scary for some people to beleive....yes. Plain and simple, people are too scared, so they make up things to make life easier..they need direction, *or* order, *or* guidance, so they make up religion to provide that.
I still am a firm beleiver that some thousands of years ago, society was getting out of control so someone came up with the idea of religion, and God and all that it is today to provide order, and fear. Did it work?? You betcha...today we have hundres of thousands who beleive in numerous religions, many of them contradictory to each other, many of them outlandish to some (catholicism, budhism, taoism, muslim, santeria)...why? Because 10000 years ago no one had the internet, and different groups made of different stories that evolved into what we have today. In the end, who is right? Who''s religion is correct? My guess, no one is...
Let me ask this question....does anyone here practice Scientology? And if you do why? And if not, why not?
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