April 8, 2009
You raise some points worthy of discussion.
First let me explain why I insist on a discussion of the issue of evolution being a science discussion. Evolution, whether you like it *or* not, is based on science. Therefore there is no correct way to discuss it other than within the realm of which it is derived, science.
Religion and science is not like apples and oranges, it is even farther apart, it is like cucumbers and rototillers. They have nothing in common at all. One requires you to believe something simply because someone else said it was true in a book from 2000 years ago (let''s not go into the fact that the book was written over hundreds of years, that the first half of the book contradicts the second half nor all the commonalities of the story told there with the many "gods" from earlier in history) and the other, science, simply requires that any subject studied must be based on FACTS.
Some issues that I have with your posts.
You are posting a religious viewpoint in a science discussion.
You are making assumptions not in evidence. IE. you ask me "how do I know that evolution is the only way for life to happen". First, that is an incredibly broad question, but we will let that go for now, and my response to you is that science does not limit itself to such absolutes because what you are asking is that we disprove the entire world of possibilities to be 100% sure that evolution is the only way. Science does not work like that. This is a key problem many religious people have, they don''t understand science and how it works. Science says let''s look at all the evidence and see if we can work out a plausible way how all of these FACTS AND EVIDENCE could work together. They that "theory" is put to the test. We search for more evidence and see if any of it disagrees with the theory. If it does then WE CHANGE THE THEORY to fit the facts, not the other way around, which is what religious people do.
An example of this is when you see a new article that says we, the science community, must push back the date of when humans first arose in central Africa. This is because we found more EVIDENCE that requires us to change the theory.
Was someone around to witness evolution? No. Can we see how evolution works in real life today? Yes. Don''t get tangled up in the adaptation vs. evolution misdirection. That is just a another way of misunderstanding science. Evolution is happening constantly and at the same time takes millions of years to see major changes to happen. We can look at the fossil records across millions of years and what appears to be evolutionary changes across time. That is the way of science. We can also look at birds that adapt to changing environments with a longer beak to establish how animals adapt.
I am sure you would like to think you are special, I think it is amazing that we are here but still it was all by chance. Your desire to be considered special is why I call religion a crutch for the weak. I have no need for a father figure to tell me I am special and that all my hard work in life will be rewarded after wards. That is the type of thing we do with children who need to clean up their room. We tell them there are rewards for being a good boy. I don''t buy it.
If someone came up to me and started yelling about aliens I would think there were nuts. UNLESS they came to me with evidence of aliens, and ways that we could test for aliens that were repeatable. This is just another way for you, and other religious people, to try to denigrate science and evolution, by comparing it to something no one views as mainstream. This same tactic is used in the gay marriage debate by trying to link gay marriage to child abuse and marriage between humans and animals and even humans and their cars. It is just a tactic to move away from the real topic.
And to your last point. I think you are mistaken on the cosmic times scales we are talking about. I don''t know if the big bang theory is correct *or* not but it is not until billions of years later that the stars and planets form and then again it is billions of years for the planet to get to the point where life can happen. Then once life begins it is hundreds of millions of years before anything more complex than single cell organisms is thought to develop. So it is a bit different than saying it is with a snap of the fingers.
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